In the previous post, I was investigating ethics - and I came across the Wikipedia article on Lawrence Kohlberg's stages of moral development.
What struck me, as regarding Wilber theory, was the following Further Stages entry:
In his empirical studies of persons across their life-span, Kohlberg
came to notice that some people evidently had undergone moral stage
regression. He was faced with the option of either conceding that moral
regression could occur, or revise his theory. Kohlberg chose the
latter, postulating the existence of sub-stages wherein the emerging
stage has not yet been adequately integrated into the personality.[8]
In particular Kohlberg noted of a stage 4½ or 4+, which is a transition
from stage four to stage five, sharing characteristics of both.[8] In this stage the individual has become disaffected with the arbitrary nature of law and order
reasoning. Culpability is frequently turned from being defined by
society to having society itself be culpable. This stage is often
mistaken for the moral relativism of stage two as the individual
considers society's conflicting interests with their own choices
relatively and morally wrong.[8] Kohlberg noted that this was often seen in students entering college.[8][11]
The question I have is this - if "regression" can happen, what does this do to Wilber's understanding that "you can't go backward" in terms of development?"
Kohlberg seems to see this as "sub-stages", before "full" integration into the next stage. I suppose that fits with the Wilber claim, but it also leaves one adrift in analyzing any PARTICULAR person - which again, seem to me to show that using stages to analyze an individual person is a non-starter.
Also, if you look at the bottom of this article, the See Also section, notice that there is a list of other theorists of development - cognitive, faith, ego, and psychosocial.
This, for me, throws into clear relief how much "integral" theory is in alignment with, and dependent on, developmental theories. So should integral theory be considered, in the main, a meta-developmental theory?
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Re: Question for Integral Theorists Out There
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coolmel
on Tue 05 Dec 2006 12:14 PM PST | Profile | Permanent Link
"The question I have is this - if "regression" can happen, what does this do to Wilber's understanding that "you can't go backward" in terms of development?" "
i don't know about that. my understanding of AQAL is that development goes through stages yet development can still regress, individually and socially. AQAL is more complex than just development. it even includes subpersonalities that each goes through it's own development. see SES and its chapter on Subpersonality. i'm too lazy to open my Collected Works right now :) certain aspects of AQAL is dependent on developmental theories. KDub has been writing about this since Spectrum of consciousness. but there's no development on "states" and the nondual ground. my two cents. Re: Question for Integral Theorists Out There
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md
on Tue 05 Dec 2006 01:21 PM PST | Permanent Link
I don't know. My reaction is bigger picture -- does "moral intelligence" actually exist?
Howard Gardner, familiar to us all, does not think so (see his book, Intelligence Reframed). Re: Re: Question for Integral Theorists Out There
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ebuddha
on Thu 07 Dec 2006 04:37 PM PST | Profile | Permanent Link
Hey Matthew,
Well, it made me happy about mankind and universal values, when I first read of the "universality" of developed ethics, so I would be disappointed if that is not the case. But, definitely, it is possible. Re: Question for Integral Theorists Out There
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WH
on Tue 05 Dec 2006 02:41 PM PST | Profile | Permanent Link
Wow, I had never heard about that part of the research -- they certainly didn't teach that when I was a psych major and Wilber has never mentioned it that I can remember.
I have always thought of the interior individual quadrant as a meta-developmental approach, although I guess that could be said for all the quadrants. But the interior in particular is an attempt at synthesis of all the relevant theories. I've spent a bit of time with the charts in the back in Integral Psychology and it's obvious Wilber has spent a huge amount of time looking at all the work of the main thinkers. What your post makes me consider, more than I already have, is how much of it Wilber cherry-picks for his own purposes and how much he ignores. I think some of the critics have taken this approach to questioning the validity of his research. Nice post. Peace, Bill Trackbacks
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